Mark Shapiro of the Toronto Blue Jays and Neal Huntington of the Pittsburgh Pirates reflected on their shared experiences in Cleveland.
There are a number of similarities between the Toronto Blue Jays and Pittsburgh Pirates that cannot be ignored. We caught up with Jays President and CEO Mark Shapiro and Pirates General Manager Neal Huntington to find out if those commonalities were coincidence, or something more.
When the Pirates ended their decades-long playoff drought – who was next in line to end theirs? The Blue Jays. Both teams had the same catcher on their respective rosters when they busted that record – Russell Martin. Speaking of shared players, six players on the Jays current active roster – Jason Grilli, J.A. Happ, Francisco Liriano, Steve Pearce, Jose Bautista and the aforementioned Martin – all spent some time in the black and gold before heading north. Blue Jays fans are loyal – sticking by their underdogs through the lean years, and celebrating them in their recent successes – just like the folks of Pittsburgh. And as of yesterday afternoon, both teams have now lost a player early in the season to suspension under the MLB’s Drug Policy for use of performance enhancing drugs (see Chris Colabello & Starling Marte).
So, what is it about these two teams?
All Signs Point to Cleveland
According to Shapiro, the answer lies in Cleveland.
“I think there was a generation in Cleveland where we had an incredible number of really talented people and now they’re running the Diamondbacks, they’re running the Twins, they’re running the Indians, they’re running the Blue Jays, they’re running the Pirates, they’re heavily involved in the Red Sox – it’s not just a few teams,” Shapiro said. “So that network of people that all worked together in the late 90’s to 2000’s and into 2007 – 2008 that was a special time to be involved in the Indians and we all share that history.”
The Pirates’ Huntington and Director of Player Development Kyle Stark were both a part of that Indians organization, for 10 years and four years respectively.
Huntington, who jested that the Blue Jays were getting the better of the Pirates where trades were concerned these days, agreed that the relationships formed during the Cleveland days, and the familiarity of the group working together in that front office still persists.
“It is a game of relationships and what is interesting is that there’s some great relationships that I have where we value payers almost identically,” Huntington said. He chalked up his and Shapiro’s similar view of players to the influence of their former boss in Cleveland.
“We tend to like players that do things to help clubs win in certain ways, that may be from John Hart when we both worked with John. And it might be some of Mark’s influence on me, or it may be even some of my influence on him,” he added.
A Team of Champions
Both men reeled off the names of the people who worked with them during their time in Cleveland in what can only be described as a dizzying run through a Rolodex of who’s who in modern baseball operations. Josh Byrnes, Paul DePodesta, Dan O’Dowd, Chris Antonetti, Mike Chernoff, John Farrell, Mike Hazen, Ben Cherington, Derek Falvey, Brendon Huttmann.
“It was intimidating for me to come into that group,” Huntington said of joining Byrnes, DePodesta, O’Dowd and Shapiro with the Indians in 1998. “You had to bring it every day to participate – not compete – but to participate in that group.”
What made the team especially effective was their approach to hiring, Shapiro said. And not just the future front office superstars mentioned above. Everyone.
“We obsessed about hiring,” he said. “We knew we probably took the intern hiring process more seriously than a lot of people, but we weren’t just filling jobs. We were obsessed about entry-level hiring and felt like that was something that the future of our organization – the lifeblood of the organization – was not just dependent on the decision we made but it was also dependent on the people we hired to be interns.”
While many organizations viewed interns as “cheap labor,” Shapiro and his team took a different approach. “We hired those interns with the expectation that they were people who were going to come in and make us better right away – not five years down the road,” he said. “We weren’t expecting them to come in and just do data entry. We wanted them to come in and help us figure out how to get better and find competitive advantages.”
Catching Up with Old Friends
Shapiro and Huntington planned on getting together in Montreal, and did for a few minutes on the field before the first game, but it wasn’t the first time they’d had a chance to catch up in recent times. Shapiro said they watched half a game together in spring training and he doesn’t hesitate to pick up the phone, either.
“We talked a bunch last year – mostly me calling him and trying to pick his brain in admiration of the organization he’s built – as much for the values and culture more than the teams on the field,” he said. “He and Kyle have done some incredible things. And it’s never done alone, there’s a bunch of incredible people they’ve brought in. I admire what they’ve done.”
Huntington, for his part, feels that Shapiro had a small hand in that.
“Mark Shapiro was the one who brought a lot of us in there, was the one that directly impacted a lot of us,” he said. “I owe so much to Mark for my opportunity to move from Montreal to Cleveland and the opportunity to grow and develop through him and with him and because of him.”
That doesn’t mean that when the Toronto Blue Jays and Pittsburgh Pirates meet in interleague play August 11 – 13 at the Rogers Centre they won’t know where their loyalties lie. It just means that both teams are likely to have a lot more in common, having been built from a very innovative and thoughtful foundation.
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Joy Frank-Collins is a Communications professional who got her start writing as a journalist at a daily newspaper in southeastern Ohio. She was born in Reds country, but “found” baseball watching the 1986 Mets win the World Series. A long-time Pittsburgh Pirates fan, she added the Blue Jays as her AL team the day they picked up Russell Martin. She lives in Marietta, Ohio, with her family, who all share her passion for baseball. She loves the suicide squeeze, a crisp 6-4-3 double play and catchers. When not obsessing over baseball, Joy likes to work out, travel and drink wine.